007 Reclaiming Joy with Chronic Illness:

Nicole Roth on Healing Hashimoto’s, Setting Boundaries, and Restoring Your Health

In this episode, I’m joined by Nicole Roth—a Health Restoration & Joy Coach and longtime autoimmune warrior—who shares how she reclaimed her health and joy after years of living with Hashimoto’s. We talk about the power of mindset, the role of boundaries in healing, and how faith and nervous system regulation helped her shift from seeing herself as “sick” to stepping into her God-given purpose. This conversation is honest, hopeful, and filled with practical wisdom for anyone navigating life with chronic illness.

Memorable Quotes:

  • It seems so simple, but moving my body was one of the most profound things that happened to me. It gave me hope. And hope is everything.
  • I didn’t even know I had shame until I realized every issue I was dealing with was rooted in it.
  • You’re not alone. You’re not crazy. You didn’t make this stuff up. There is hope for a new tomorrow.
  • Vulnerability in a safe space breaks shame like nothing I’ve ever seen.

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Transcription:

April: [00:00:00] Are you struggling to stay positive and hopeful while dealing with your chronic illness? Has your illness impacted your relationship with family and friends? Do you wanna regain your sense of belonging and have more love and compassion for yourself? Welcome to The Invisible Illness Club. If you’re ready to learn how to live a hope filled life with your chronic illness, grab your favorite drink and listen in.

Welcome back friend to the Invisible Illness Club podcast. I know that normally I bring you just me talking for about seven to 10 minutes, but today I am introducing my first guest, and so from now on, you will hear every other week a guest interview and I’m super excited about this. These interviews will be people who are dealing with chronic illness or people who work with chronic illness or both.

So hopefully you can glean something from them as well as the quick little episodes that I give you. Today I am introducing Nicole Roth. [00:01:00] Nicole is a health restoration and joy coach who empowers the heart on herself, woman of faith to kick out shame, restore her health, and step fully into her God-given purpose.

She’s also a wife mom of three autoimmune warrior of 20 years, and just might be recording from her hammock or her camper. Today we’re diving into Nicole’s journey with Hashimoto’s, how she shifted from surviving to thriving, and why joy goes hand in hand with healing. I hope that you enjoy today’s episode.

Welcome, Nicole. It is absolutely great to have you here. Thank you for being my first guest interview.

Nicole: This is so fun. I’m telling you, I had no idea. God is just, he’s so thought wonderful, isn’t he?

April: He’s awesome. Well, I want you to take us back to the beginning. Okay. So what did life look like before your diagnosis and how did [00:02:00] that shift once you were diagnosed with Hashimoto’s?

Nicole: Yeah, so I lost my dad to suicide in 2005, and literally everything, my whole life turned upside down after that. So not only was I diagnosed with Hashimoto’s, but it was, you know, for a lot of y’all out there, you might not even have a diagnosis, which it took a while for that to even happen. And that’s a whole other conversation about am I.

Um, so that I also was diagnosed with part postpartum cardiomyopathy, which, mm. So, so much going on, so much swirling with the grief and just, you know, everything, trying to just be a human again. It was like mm-hmm. What in the world just happened. I, like, everything has gone south and I was norm, you know, a, a very healthy, active, you know, vibrant woman.

I, just to give you an example, I was. [00:03:00] My, and this is not like, oh yeah, but just to give you, you know, the extent of my whatever. I was a hospital-based dietician. I worked on the seventh floor and I was pregnant with my, my oldest, now she’s 21. I took the stairs. I’m like, you know, I’m like, come on, let’s do this.

Mm-hmm. So to go from that to, I couldn’t walk across my house. Like, yeah, I couldn’t, you know, it was, I was so dizzy, so weak, you know, fatigue. Just so much swirling around. It was awful. Awful.

April: I can only imagine. Now, you mentioned in your questionnaire something about your NAP team. Can you explain this NAP team to us?

Because I think in the middle of all this, you’re figuring out now you can’t even walk across the house. Mm-hmm. You’ve got to figure this out. So who tell us about this NAP team?

Nicole: Well, I wish I could share the pictures here, but I have, we have five dogs and they’re all rescues. My main, my main buddy. To the [00:04:00] sidebar, I, because I was so sick, I, I didn’t want to be the sick girl, you know?

I was like, I fought against that with everything in me. So I have, you know, of course I could take a nap in my bed every day, but I’m like, I don’t wanna be that. I don’t wanna be sick. And so I actually created, and I highly recommend this for anybody, if you’ve got a big enough closet, I put a mattress in my closet and that’s been my, my sanctuary, my safe space.

Yeah. And so my two of the dogs, Keller is my main buddy. My n. My, my nap team. Um, but anytime, doesn’t matter what time of day doesn’t matter, you know, if he’s already even sleeping, I say, Keller, you wanna take a nap again, I couldn’t say it just like, quiet, you wanna take a nap? And he’s like, yes, I do. He like in that back closet and the sweetest thing, I mean, I have cried so many tears in that closet, but he has been out of, you know, my family, whatever he has been.

And of course the Lord. Um. He has [00:05:00] been my faithful companion, like mm-hmm. And he’ll stay there until I’m done sleeping. Aw.

I don’t even know how, I don’t, I lose track of how time goes so fast. But, um, anyhow, he’s, he’s older, eight or nine anyhow, but he’s, he’s my boy. And so now I’ve got secondary nap team. Ms. Maggie, she’s, uh, pandemic. She’s a pandemic puppy. Uh, hi anxiety. She actually doesn’t, no, most people don’t even know that we have heard it.

She’s part two of the NAP team. I have one on the side and then he goes down here. Anyhow, it’s just been, it’s, it’s been so sweet to have that support because who else is gonna, you know, people, oh, I know, you know my, I have three daughters, but they’re not gonna. You know, come sleep by.

April: So, yeah. Well, I tell you, my nap team is my two puppies.

I mean, if I take a nap, they come climb in the bed with me. I’m gonna call ’em my NAP team now, [00:06:00] because that’s just awesome. Well, you talked about how, you know you would cry many times in that, in that closet, and I’m, I’m assuming, and you can tell me if I’m wrong, that this is partly about the grief and the isolation that happens.

When we have an autoimmune condition that now we can’t do what we used to do. We become a former per, you know, a shell of our former self. So can you talk a little bit about that grief and that isolation?

Nicole: Yeah. It’s been, it’s been so hard. And just like the name, you know, just this like invisible illness every, you know, no one would think you and I like, right.

There’s nothing wrong. So there, there’s, you know, so that’s difficult to not have any visible. Things going on. So there’s that. Um, but the isolation for me, it’s been with the food, food sensitivities, you know? Mm-hmm. So then everything’s about food in America, you know? And so in the church, you know, it’s like, let’s do a [00:07:00] butt.

I’m like, no kidding. You know, it’s just, it’s been so hard. And then it’s, you know, it’s uncomfortable to be like, oh, I’ve got this thing that I can’t do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I don’t wanna be that girl. You know? So that just. It feels rude. It’s, there’s just so many to all of this. And then it messes with marriage.

I mean, you know, it impacts every finances, like every aspect of life has been impacted by this one thing. And so yeah, to not have others understand, to go to all the doctors. I mean, for years I just went, it was like a hobby that’s like, what do you. Professional, Dr. Nor, I mean, and it actually became an idol because I was so desperate, like, somebody please listen to me.

Like I don’t wanna just have a slapped on label and a medication. Mm-hmm. Like, can I please feel like a person? And so that was so difficult, so isolating. [00:08:00] And, yeah. And then the grief of, of course, losing my dad. And he was the one person, I mean, I love my husband, I love my family, but yeah, he, he gets, you know, like he knew me.

And was my cheerleader and you know mm-hmm. Just 100% biggest supporter. So to lose that as well, you know, it was like, gosh, it just felt like my whole world was crumbling.

April: I can imagine, because like you said, especially in church and family, there’s a lot of food related things that are happening. I mean, I think there’s a potluck every month at church, you know, and that had to be extremely difficult to be in that situation, trying to not only navigate new diagnosis and what you’re gonna be, you know, having to eat and not eat and all those things, but also to.

Do that in a way that felt good to you and didn’t say, Hey, don’t forget I’m sick. You know? Right, [00:09:00] exactly. Because that’s not easy either. You wanna kind of do it in a quiet way. Most of us, you know, because we don’t wanna bother other people. Let them enjoy what they’re eating. Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, this is, this is such a relatable thing to the community, um, because we’re all dealing with something like that.

Nicole: Where we’re

April: trying to navigate through the different changes that are happening and not be extremely loud about it, because we don’t want it to be all about our illness. Exactly. Our life is not all our illness. Right. It’s just a big part of it.

Nicole: Yes.

April: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Well I appreciate you telling us that story ’cause it is very, very relatable and I am serious.

I’m, I’m stealing nap team from my dogs. Totally. So you mentioned a huge turning point, um, in your questionnaire about when, uh, a chiropractor mm-hmm. Who’s not a traditional person Right. To deal [00:10:00] with something like this, but yeah. Tell us about that and what it was that he believed about, you know, what y’all were talking about mm-hmm.

And how that changed things for you.

Nicole: Yeah. Uh, such a blessing. So, like I said, I mean, for years this was in, so I was diagnosed as 2005. That was in 2019. So yeah. Had gone by again. I had seen, I feel like I’ve seen, I’m in the. Dallas Fort Worth area of Texas. I’m like, I’ve seen everybody. I’ve seen all of them.

Like, Nope. CREs, no, nope. I know, I know that one. I know that one. Uh, I tried all the na, you know, the, the regular, traditional route because that was my background as a dietician. Then I went over to the natural route. You know, I’m like, I’ve done all the things. So, you know, my kind of, the scenario would go, I, I’d see a new person, whether it was, you know, a traditional doctor or a natural person.

It’s. Here’s your protocol. Here’s your, you know, hundreds of dollars of supplements. Here’s the thing, go do the [00:11:00] thing. And it was like, watch this, repeat. I do all the things. I try to follow all the stuff. And I wouldn’t feel any better. Nothing. It was like, right. I am wasting my time, my money, and my energy, and I’m not getting anywhere.

And it’s so frustrating and it’s so frustrating for my husband, you know, like mm-hmm. And again, and then all the, I’m a stay at home mom, entrepreneur, but you know, I made stay at home mom because part of it was I probably couldn’t have held up. Right. Right. But anyhow, so then there’s the money. You know, here I’m just throwing all of our money away, like got all these supplements.

It was so maddening and so, and then the shame comes, you know, which doesn’t help help. So, yeah, so here, my mom lived with us for several years and I kind of, uh, you know, encouraged her strongly that she needed to get help with some things that she was dealing with. And so out of all the things that we knew about, whatever she picked, this guy, we’d never been to him, but a friend had gone.

I’m like, okay, I’ll, I’ll take you. I was shocked that, and he does [00:12:00] acupuncture. I mean, it was like so outside of her norm. I’m like, okay, whatever.

April: Which we all try at some point we go outside of the norm and say, well, if this didn’t work, maybe this will.

Nicole: So I, so I was just going for her. So he starts helping her and she’s like, becoming a new woman.

I’m like, okay. If I’m driving all the way to Dallas, I might as well go too. So I start seeing him and it was so amazing because everybody else that I’d seen in the past, it was like, oh, poor you. You know? You have fill in the blank. And it’s just like this heavy blanket of this is how it’s kind of gonna be.

Even the health people, you’re like, I don’t wanna be this way. I wanna be this diagnosis and all of this junk. Right? So he was really the first person that looked at me. I shared, you know, my history. He is like, you know, he goes, good. Three months you’ll be fine, Nicole. I’m like, what? I mean this has [00:13:00] been 14 years.

Like did. I start seeing him and at the, in the midst of that, I was also going to, um, do you know about Revelation Wellness, the ministry? No. Amazing ministry such, I highly recommend it. They use fitness as a tool to spread the gospel. And so I started hearing about this and I was like, I am not like aerobics coordinated at all.

Like, you do not want me to.

They have a program called, uh, to become a fitness teacher, gospel preacher. So I, I went through that program, so I was really learning about more of my freedom in Christ and am starting to move my body. I grew up in Michigan, so being down in Texas, you’re like, uh, hello. It shouldn’t be that difficult, you know, to deal with cold and things.

But given my, you know, my health and all this stuff. My nemesis. And so I, in the wintertime, I just would stay inside. And even though in the summer I felt good, I was kayaking and hiking and or I mean, [00:14:00] uh, walking and things didn’t work. Um, but in the winter, I, I shut down. It was like, and it would be 10:00 AM that I would miss appointments because I was so fatigued.

I just could not. Yeah. And so through this, you know, revelation, wellness, I was like, you know what? I’m gonna take background. Like I’m so tired of just feeling so bad. And so I started to hike. I got the right clothes, I got the, you know, all the gear and I was like, I’m gonna be warm. I’m gonna do this thing.

So I started hiking. So in the midst of this, I’m seeing Dr. Kim and I saw him on a Thursday. You know when you first go to a new doctor, right? Kind of go more truncated. And so I was seeing him on a Thursday and I came back on a Monday and I saw him and he goes. What did you do? I went hiking and he goes, your body completely different.

Completely different. And I’m like, really? He goes, you just do that and you’ll be fine. I’m like, hike, like go walk. He’s like, yeah, yeah, 30. And then he is like, [00:15:00] 30 minutes in the morning. 30 minutes a night. Work up to an hour in the morning or night. He goes, you’ll be fine. Okay, Dr.

April: If only they were all that simple.

Nicole: I’m telling you what. So I did, I started moving my body, I started recording my miles and, and right now I started recording in two, uh, 2020 in March, and I’m closing in on 5,000 miles. Wow. Only outdoor activity, biking, hiking, kayaking, walking, and it’s completely changed everything because I was so filled with, again, with the grief and mm-hmm.

There was so much anxiety, just so much self rejection, shame, there’s all this stuff looped in. And so my body didn’t have a way to get rid of it really. Right. So it seems so simple, but I’m like, that was really one of the most profound things. Happened to me and just seeing myself then not as a sick person, as a [00:16:00] victim in this hopeless case, maybe I could actually start to feel good.

That sounds great. Yeah. So giving hope and hope is everything. So this, I love what you’re doing here, April, because Thank you. Giving hope to people and having other people hear these stories and go, wait a minute. I’m not alone because that’s what the enemy said. You’re the only one that’s dealing with this.

You’re crazy. You’re whatever. Fill in the blank. And it’s just not, that’s just not true.

April: Especially for those of us that can’t get out as often or do as much physically. Mm-hmm. Um, depending on the diagnosis. Um, it can be very isolating and very, very difficult to feel like, you know, other people get it.

It’s one of the reasons I jumped right into this. Yeah. ’cause I knew that if I needed that Yes. And I had, I mean, it took me. Two, three months to get 600 people on Instagram to follow [00:17:00] me. Mm-hmm. Because it’s such a needed space.

Nicole: Yes.

April: And so I saw that that jump happen so fast. Mm-hmm. And I was like, okay, if I need this, yes.

These people need this. Totally. And so it’s one of those things that God just kind of orchestrated and I, I took a little longer than I should have to get here, but. No should. Right. I, I, my husband was told many years ago by a little old lady he was renting from, he had come in and he was saying shoulds, you know?

Mm-hmm. All over the place. And she said, you shouldn’t should on yourself. And so that is now my, my saying is, stop shoulding on yourself. Oh,

Nicole: right.

April: That’s so good. Yeah. But you know, I mean, this is just such a needed space and so getting to talk to people. Like you that have been through something and have found ways to make their life a little easier and a little bit better, or a lot easier and a lot better depending on the situation, is just [00:18:00] fantastic.

I’m excited about that. Oh, good. So I know that your work is also centered around joy and faith. Mm-hmm. And of course that comes with hope. Mm-hmm. So what, tell us a little more about your work and your business and what mm-hmm. You know, you do. Yeah. So it’s really funny. I

Nicole: think I filled, I mean, this is literally hot off the press.

I just filled out this questionnaire this last week on Saturday. The, I have been in, you know, every marketing class, all the things, and they all are like, what problem do you solve? Who do you solve for? Right? Like. I still don’t know. That’s okay. You know, and the Lord’s direct me to different, I have a homeschooled mom, so you know, for a while it was homeschool mom anyhow, so he kind of shifted things.

But literally on Saturday, the Lord whispered to me, you empower women to transform shame into joy through a revelation of grace. And I was like, I just, yes, I do. [00:19:00] Yes I do. I’m so excited. So fired up that morning. Literally, it just flowed out. I, I’m writing a, a second book and it’s been in the works for 20 years, which is hilarious.

Wow. But, um, I feel like that was the intro to this book, but it’s all about this idea of shame and I did not know that I even had any shame until. Um, the Lord directed me to read a book. It was years ago. Christine Kane came out with a book called Un Shame. I read that and I act, I remember thinking, I have a lot of issues, but that’s not one of ’em.

Like, I had no clue. Right? And as I read that, I was like, okay, every issue I have actually, it’s rooted in shame, right? And rejection and condemnation and unworthiness and all these things, but it, that’s the root. And so as I started to, you know, do my own work of healing, you know, receiving God’s love, starting to see myself through that lens of grace rather than that [00:20:00] harsh task, master perfectionism ness, all of that, you know, type a behavior.

Um, I, I started to shift in, you know, the way I viewed myself. My health got better. Things just kept getting better. My relationships improved. My husband as a parent, he. There’s something to this. And I started to experience joy and I didn’t, I wasn’t joyful at all. Um, so I’m like, I can’t help, I can’t not share what the Lord has done.

Yeah. And like shout from, you know, with the megaphone on the rooftops because. It is, it’s so sneaky and sinister and, um, and again, I didn’t know I had a thing, so how do you deal with you? You don’t even, you know, haven’t even identified. That’s, that’s the whole, that’s the whole point. It keeps,

April: yeah. Oh it does.

And I think we don’t realize, well, number one, that shame is a lot of what that is, even if we are not the one. [00:21:00] That had that put on us, whatever that is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, I think we don’t realize how much stuff we have buried. Mm-hmm. I didn’t, I didn’t realize how much stuff was buried until I married my husband who has been in ministry in the past.

He has. He’s a deep thinker, a very deep thinker. He is an intellectual and mm-hmm. The way that he and God work and the way that he hears from God is very different than I’ve ever seen. I grew up in a Baptist church, okay? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I didn’t get to see as much of. The movement of God and the way God can heal and move and do other things until I married him.

Mm-hmm. Well, a byproduct of marrying someone who is very into God and what he wants out of his life is realizing there are things in your life that you haven’t let go of yet, so that you can grow [00:22:00] in that as well. Yeah. And so the, over the course of the seven years we’ve been married. That’s a lot of what I’ve had to deal with.

And so I’ve, I’ve had to let go of a lot of shame and a lot of things for stuff I did, for stuff other people did because we don’t realize that that’s part of the equation. So you call your business, she abides in joy. I love that. I love that because I am all about us, even on the worst day, finding a little twinkle, a little glimmer of joy.

Right. Um, so I know you have a course called the Incubator Intensive. Mm-hmm. Can you kind of tell us about that?

Nicole: Yeah, so it’s, um, it is an, it’s an, I didn’t name it. Oh God. You like, this was ly named. We’re doing some serious battle here. So it’s, the beta I did was 12 weeks long. That was last year. Then I, you know, did it again and the Lord, I, I call it bait and [00:23:00] switch.

You know, like I had my ladies line up, we’re ready to go for, I was gonna do it for 16 weeks. We’re gonna have like a little pause because there was a lot, you know, I was like, okay, let’s spread it out. So 16 weeks. And then we got in the first week, the Lord said, I want you to do two weeks per session and to share like another, I love to share resources of other people, other authors and things.

And so, so it turned into a six month long program and I’m like, uh, ladies, there’s 17 women in the program. I’m like, are, are y’all down for this? And said, yeah, let’s do it. So I.

Deep into battle and, you know, dealing with shame and pride and idols and, oh, just so much, so many lies. And our relationship with ourselves, our relationship with others, co dependency. I mean, we covered all the ground. Uh, and that is my book. So the Lord told me, he gave me the download for the 12. [00:24:00] Yeah, it was 12 weeks, but 12 modules.

That and that would become my book. You know, I’m like, okay, we’re gonna publish this thing. That’s awesome. Wow. You know? So anyhow, so it’s been so sweet. So going forward, it’s going to be three pillars of two months each, um, to make it a little more digestible. ’cause it was, it was intense. But the ladies that went through and they, they all, they went through, like we ended up on the other side.

I mean, it was, it was so incredible. And the, uh, the other thing that the Lord really impressed upon me was to create these, uh, small groups of three women inside of our larger group called Grace Grove Groups. Mm. So they got in there and all those six groups, ’cause I put myself in one too. I’m like, y’all, we all need, like, we all put our pants on.

The enemies coming for all of us. I need this too. So I put myself in a group and all six of those groups are still like meeting and, you know, sharing with each other. It’s so. So powerful and so needed because yeah, the church [00:25:00] unfortunately, is not necessarily the safe place. You know, when you see everybody on Sunday, how, how’s everything?

You know, fine, everything’s fine. You put the smile on, right? Even if you’re crumbling inside, you’re like, who do you tell that to? Excuse me. So I feel like this is such a need for women to have that safe place and we don’t stay. It’s not like, oh, wo with me and you know, my life is terrible and you know, we all just.

No. Okay. That happened. That was horrible. Now where are we going? Like, what’s the next, what does God have for you? Where’s the hope? Where’s the victory? You know, where’s that overcoming, um, spirit, whatever. What’s the, where’s the truth ultimately? Yeah. And so we do that work together and it it great shame, like nothing I’ve ever seen because that vulnerability.

Especially in that small space where we can really take the masks off and go, this is what’s really going on. These are the thoughts that it’s

April: not hidden anymore. It’s, it’s out in the open. Anything that’s hidden the [00:26:00] enemy can use. Yes. To stop us, to hurt us, to create more shame. All of that, it’s, it’s gotta come out in the open in order to be able to deal with it.

So, yeah. Yeah. So

Nicole: it’s been so fun. I, I just, I love it. I’m like, this is the best job ever. I’m, uh, the Lord told me I was a joy coach. I’m like, I don’t know what that is. Okay. It’s so fun to literally watch women transform their faces like. Things change because they get, you know, they get unfettered from all the junk that’s been weighing them down.

It’s,

April: it is really amazing to me to meet someone else who, God said, I want you to create a safe space for women. Mm-hmm.

Nicole: Yeah.

April: When I married my husband, I had a vision and I, this wasn’t a dream, it wasn’t anything. I’m telling you, it was a vision and I am not one to say I have visions. Okay. I’m the realist in the [00:27:00] household, so I wouldn’t typically do this, but I actually had a vision.

We’re driving down the road and this thought comes to my head. I can see the whole picture in my head. Mm-hmm. That I am speaking to women.

Nicole: Mm-hmm.

April: Now this, in this vision, I was on a stage, I don’t know what that means for the future, but I’m telling you that I was speaking to women, that I was creating a safe space Yes.

For women. Yeah. And so you said that And I went, all right, we’re keeping in touch forever, because that is, that is exactly what I am trying to do here for women with chronic illness specifically. But women don’t talk enough. And so that is what they need is a safe space. Oh, this is so exciting. I know that based on some of the reviews you’ve had on your site and stuff, that your clients walk away with that confidence with spiritual alignment and release from the, the pressure to perform.

They don’t have to be okay anymore. Yeah. You know, and like you [00:28:00] said in church, that is the answer. You know, I’m fine, I’m good, I’m whatever. And that’s good,

Nicole: but that’s true. You know, it’s not like there’s, there’s so much pressure to serve, to perform, to do all the things and to have them, and. So it’s, it’s such a trap and I’m like, you have been called out enemy and you know you’re going down

April: and now we have a joy coach here who can take care, help you, take care of that with the Lord.

That is fantastic. I think my answer the last two Sundays that I was at church, I didn’t get to go. This last one, um, has been God is sustaining me.

Nicole: Hmm.

April: Because I’m tired of saying I’m fine. ’cause you’re not, if you’re not fine, don’t say you’re fine. It’s okay to be honest without spilling your whole story.

Nicole: Right. I love that. Yeah. That’s really good. That’s a lot of wisdom. It’s still truth. It’s, yeah. That’s really, really good. I love [00:29:00] it. I love it.

April: Okay. All right. What is one thing that you hope every woman who hears this walks away with knowing about whatever it is you feel they need to hear today?

Nicole: I think it’s kind of what we’re talking about, that you’re not alone, you.

Only one. April. You’re the only one. Fill in the blank, right? You’re the only one that’s dealing with this, and that is the voice of shame. And so you’re not alone, you’re not crazy. You didn’t make this stuff up. There is hope for you to, whatever that looks like in your healing journey, there’s hope for yes, a new tomorrow, you know, feeling better.

And whether it’s dealing with these emotional issues or trauma or, you know. The onion, the la, the layers of the onion, like go toward it even though it’s painful. Like I’ve never experienced so much pain, you know, of dealing with this stuff, especially from childhood rejection, um, from peers over something I [00:30:00] never said anyhow.

So going and like dealing with that was so painful, but the freedom on the other side is absolutely so worth it. So. Get your boots on, get your short out, and, you know, and go toward that pain, whatever he highlights. Like, I don’t feel like we have to go digging for stuff, you know, like as the Lord brings things to mind, like he wants, I, I say he reveals to heal.

He wants to mm-hmm. Bring this stuff up gently with grace. When you are ready to go, you know, let’s look at this thought. Let’s look at this pattern that you’ve had of performance or perfectionism or drivenness or, you know, whatever it is. Daughter better and just to receive that love from him. And it, uh, it’s just such a gift.

So you don’t have to have it all figured out. You don’t have to be perfect. You don’t have to carry the weight of the world, and there are others out there waiting to support you and guide you along this path.

April: That is such a good message. All right, so [00:31:00] I’ve got some quick fire questions for some fun before we wrap up here.

Mm-hmm. What is your go-to comfort food that you can eat? Okay, well this is a

Nicole: whole new thing. I, I, I, I jokingly call myself a bread evangelist because I’ve been gluten-free for 20 years, but I’ve just discovered the beauty of cream, corn, wheat, which is the biblical wheat, and a lot of people with gluten sensitivity do really well with that.

Wow. I actually, I really, I, there was a podcast that came out on a culture apothecary. Alex Clark recently with this Sue Becker lady. And anyhow, so my friend sent that to me and I’m like, yeah, yeah, I’ve already heard all the things about, you know, the gluten and the folic acid and the MT Hfr G, you know, all this stuff.

But I’m like, and I’ll be open, I’ll listen. And I learned a lot of things and so I was, I just felt like Holy Spirit was like, oh girl. Like, so I ordered.

And [00:32:00] so over the last probably three weeks or so, I’ve been eating this, you know, feeling bread, making my, you know, at home, milling my own flour and all the things. It’s so fun. I’m having the best time. So it’s just been, well, you’re gonna

April: have to ship me a loaf of that now because I don’t have time to make bread.

Oh, all right. What is your favorite scripture or quote that you come back to again and again and again?

Nicole: Uh, second

April: Corinthians

Nicole: 12, nine for sure. That my grace is sufficient for you, for my powers made perfect. I didn’t know how prideful, how arrogant, how self-sufficient I was. People, you know, gently would point that out over the years and the Lord finally brought me to the end of my self.

But that sure has, that’s my life first. And it’s like, yeah, I can celebrate. I don’t have it all together. I’m not ever going to, and that is the best news ever.

April: That’s amazing. I love that scripture and because in the [00:33:00] questionnaire you mentioned something that I say in the intro, are you currently recording from a hammock or a tent or an rv?

Not today,

Nicole: but I wouldn’t be surprised.

April: That’s great. That’s great. Well, Nicole, thank you so much for sharing your story and your heart with us today. It is been such a blessing to talk to you. Where can people find you if they wanna finally put on their big girl panties and work on this stuff?

Nicole: Um, nicole roth.com is the easiest place.

I’ve also got a, a YouTube channel, everything and all my socialists, she abides in joy. So you can find me on those places, but would love to connect. Send a message, reach out. I’m most active on Facebook,

April: but

Nicole: yeah,

April: it’s great. That’s awesome. Well, if you want to be able to get some coaching or go through the program on Nicole’s site, then you need to reach out to her.

This. I may be [00:34:00] going through it at some point after we move here, so you know, it’s a great thing. Thank you so much, Nicole. Thank you April. So fun. Thanks for hanging out with me today. If this episode spoke to you, share it with a friend who gets it. And if you haven’t yet, be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss what’s coming next.

Until then, take care of yourself. You’re doing better than you think.

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